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June 06, 2006

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John Davies

Your suggestions about the reasons for the popularity of John's baptism were among the most vivid and helpful ideas I gained from our time on Iona. I average about one baptism a week, and I'm sure that the present form of liturgy has far more to do with asserting rigid dirt boundaries than with liberating people into Christ's new cleanliness. So there's plenty of potential for rewriting the baptismal mechanisms of cleansing - with and for the people concerned - and I'm determined to have a go at doing that; if you know of anyone else working in that area I'd be fascinated to know.

suzanna

I've been reading The Complex Christ and reflecting on the dirt issues. After a time of asking how to think of the "issue" at hand for me, I was reminded of the interchange at the well Jesus has with the Samaritan. The thing that stands out to me is the choice Jesus made in the dialog. He chose to remain silent about things that didn't concern him or his purpose to tell her who he is. He didn't get caught up in her line of thinking, but simply opened up a free way of thinking and relating. The point being that He is the Christ.
The dirt pile a pharisee makes is not only a hands off for them, it creates a false front for those who feel the initial rejection. Now they have their own angst that keeps them in it.
He frees us by telling us that it is not what comes from without that makes us unclean. We can go anywhere.
The new framework that the disciples were offended is "go and tell. Get out of your classified sin management." The cleansing is Living Water from within, regardless of what brand of dirt.

suzanna

okay.... I've caught up in the the book now. Seems you've already thought of the Samaritan and I've only mentioned the obvious.
But it wasn't obvious when I was still trying to define the "dirt".
Eugene Peterson writes that we need the ritual (baptism, communion) because the reality is too large to take in. The mystery is too large and the need for the mystery is too large. The generality of the ritual allows us to bring the full expression of our particular. I see now that people already know they need cleansing and it's not our job to show them their dirt.
The rituals we have are not so much about the mechanisms of water or wine. The cleansing comes from being seen. Jesus baptizes and Jesus pours out the wine. His love sees our reality. We realize he sees us. But we are first brought there by loving people who look past our dirt.
Thank you for the book. I'm looking forward to meeting you at Soliton this August .

Kester

Looking forward to it too! Great thoughts. The idea of ritual/symbol is very very important. One of the major problems with fundamentalism (of any flavour) is its taking symbols (multivalent) as signs (single meaning). This always leads to a paucity of faith, and an inevitable construction of hard boundaries.

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