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September 19, 2005

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Kester

Sennett writes: "As space becomes devalued through motion, individuals gradually lose a sense of sharing their fate with others."

The spaces we create are often done in the name of efficiency: getting people in and out quickly and smoothly, making it easy for people to slot in when the turn up late with no one seeing. Sennett highlights the problem with this: what we gain in efficiency, we lose in community.

Be interesting to redesign a church building to deliberately make it 'highly inefficient'... I know Steve Collins has done work on this over at smallritual.org

Ben

Is there a place for experts, then? I'm not doubting the value of discussion as a way of learning, and I know how room setup affects the way people interact. Every once in awhile at services in our church, we'll have people turn chairs toward one another to pray for one another. There is a noticable change in the "atmosphere," so to speak, and it actually really unnerves a lot of people. It's like they suddenly realized someone else was in the room.

But on experts, and learning models: Do experts really exist at all? Is it possible that some people just know more about something that others? In that case, is it not appropriate to simply listen to them and say, "Wow, I did now know that"? Just wondering what people think on this.

Kester

I think it has a lot to do with the attitude of the expert. Do they point to themselves, or ahead at the greater horizon? This perhaps takes us back to ideas of spatial arrangement: the preacher who everyone faces is the focus. In other spatial arrangements the 'expert' can still disseminate their knowledge, but not allow the focus to fall on them.

Nic

Agree Kes. It's not necessarily a problem with experts, more about hegemony. How knowledge is wielded. Goes back to your thing about sermons and why Jon views space as ideological. For too long space has been viewed as neutral which serves certain 'interested' parties.

Ben

I think that's right about the attitude of the expert. It kind of looks like the difference between the Pharisees and Jesus. Jesus blew everyone away with his expertise at age 12, so we know the guy "knew his stuff" as they say. But while the Pharisees used their expertise to control and oppress ("you travel over land and sea to make one convert, and when you do, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you!"), but Jesus used his expertise to liberate and reveal the Father.

Jonathan¯

Ben, in response to the questions you threw out earlier: "do experts really exist at all? is it possible that some people just know more about something than others?"

I’d like to offer some thoughts.

Firstly the question: 'do some people just know more about something than others?' I would agree with you, yes. You know more than me about some things. And at the same time I know more than you about others. Equally my milkman knows more than me about some things and I in turn know more than her.

If we agree on this, we see we have a world where knowing is distributed. Everyone has something to offer. But we also need to recognise the nature of knowing. Knowing takes many forms. Knowing can be musical, linguistic, spatial, logical-mathematical, bodily- kinesthetic, naturalist, interpersonal. (We too often falsely misrepresent knowing as a limited factual kind of knowing.)

But something we must be wary of is letting us think that knowing is the property of individuals. Contemporary understanding of organisations has led people to realise that knowing is often not simply contained within individuals but also between them; in the connections. They have found when you completley change the people in an team or community or disband a network, knowing is lost. Knowing is more illusive that we thought.

Further to this, knowing is often linked to places. It has a spatial characteristic.

So in terms of the spaces and their ideology/theology. If we share a theology where everyone is equal, where knowing is distributed, where everyone has something to offer everyone else, where knowing takes different forms and where knowing is as much between people and places as in them. Then, we need to have the ‘courage to create’ spaces where these ideologies/theologies can be spatially realised.

As well as the George Hanson Critical Forum, I/we have had the privilege of exploring some of these spatial ideas/theologies through Vaux. We have experimented with how these kinds of spaces might be, and how they might feel like to inhabit. Often it has involved complex choreography, or facilitating a create flux. It has brought failures and frustrations but also occasionally incredible numinous moments.

Unfortunately it is often words/written liturgies which get archived and the spatial choreography lost. But the stories do get told...

So I’m really keen that these experiments are shared and to hear how others have taken these contemporary ideas/theology and manifested them spatially and had the courage to be creative with choreography and curating space.

Ben

Jonathan, thanks for your thoughts. I especially am intrigued by the "communal knowing" idea.

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